Is Obama Legit?
The comments received on another previous blog post (sent by a guest), prompted me to begin a new post. The question: Is this sitting president legitimate?
Is his birth certificate, only produced after years of prodding, real (official) or conveniently contrived?
Was he actually 'born' in Hawaii..... or flown there immediately After his birth?
The International flight records are another link, mysteriously missing for the period of time in question, so no indisputable facts from that system of normally well documented, maintained, International flight records.
Coupled with his, 'sealed' murky chain of scholastic records and accomplishments, chain of obviously subsidized residences, questionable social security numbers and associations with mentors of traditional society destructive 'Socialism', he is a true anomaly in the US Presidential history.
As it stands, I, as a true Believer in Jesus Christ and the never ending battle of good vs evil, with a welcome coming return of the True Savior at the precise time, I personally have no problem with this man of totalitarian power, magically promoted up through the stages of politics into the position of Power he now holds over the masses of society.
No concerns, aside from the rapidly escalating costs (redistributive taxation, Fees, unsustainable escalation of interest on borrowed money) assessed onto the backs of the diminishing class of the productive, to subsidize this utopian existence.
Brave New World...revisited (Aldus Huxley) predicted a need ( National Socialism) for bringing down the freedom based wealthy nation, into a level commensurate with the rest of the less fortunate, controlled world.
Costs that will destroy the once sustainable and prosperous USA and it's previously unique capacity and willingness as "One Nation under God", to assist the perpetually less fortunate of the world.
Fact of the matter, he or his deceit motivated clone, was predicted long ago. So many questionable circumstances are involved in this man's mystery life, he truly is a leader of power, for these times where Truth is not forthcoming.
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mrstrauss has left a new comment on your post "Four simple Questions of presidential legitimacy. ...":
RE: " (including the magically released, multilevel, computer generated 'certificate of birth' in..."
Perhaps you did not know that layers(not levels) are normal in PDF. I wonder why? Could it be that no birther site ever told you?
And, I wonder why no birther site has shown you, or responded, to this:
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/xerox-workflow/the-xerox-workcentre-workflow-successes
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The fact is that the historically sustainable Traditional Family, is only a fractional minority in today's overwhelmingly governmental regulated, restrictive and politically Controlled USA.
Less than 25% of school children now in classrooms across the nation, (since the inception of wealth redistributive 'The Great Society') live within a Traditional Family household (the Only historically sustainable form of society).
This statistic alone, places the Feral associations, liaisons producing multi-generational spawn (section 8 housing, including endless nutritional sustenance, added individually, priority choice (no penalties for bad choices), disposable financial rewards with few questions asked) of perpetual dependency addiction (including a huge percentage of chemical dependency), within this now overwhelming majority, conveniently portrayed as a Democracy (the USA was previously formed as a Republic). A voting Democracy is able to redistribute wealth from the treasury.... until it is depleted.
In that one category alone, Obama, of questionable heritage, born of a mother (including father) who was well known for a Feral lifestyle of dependency, is well represented by his peers, enough to swing any vote to his favor.
Add into the equation the 'Elitists', who prosper from massive Government promoted regulations/restrictions, generously rewarded by political affiliations. With those factions and lifestyle of never ending dependency on ever expanding government, Obama is truly 'their' messiah.
Whomever, whatever political factions, groomed this previously unknown man, nurtured him up through the political system, on a fast track for the Powerful presidency of the USA, knew the time was ripe for a leader of Perpetual Dependency. Predictably Demanding the forced 'Redistribution of Wealth' to support, nurture and expand it. All common factors in the time tested (historically total failure) of National Socialism.
The USA's urban centers (as are many cities around the globe) are bloated cesspools of non-productive (breeders and eaters) dysfunctional Feral associations, with it's predicatable crime and violence.
A sector of society has been born, nourished and now multiplying into a majority that can not support themselves without massive, endless influxes of wealth, forcibly taken away (redistributed) from the 'Producers' and generators of 'product'.
Product is the only source of revenue (a tangible, saleable entity of universal value) and it's expansion necessary to maintain population and provide sustenance through profit.
Unprecedented Food production and energy, are two main ingredients that allowed the world population to increase seven fold, from the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in the early through mid 1800's.
Food and Energy, key elements (conveniently removed from the COLA/CPI) that are obviously only produced through discipline, hard work, intelligence, education and dedication to the 'hard sciences'. Factors not normally found in abundance in the dependency addicted urban cores.
For countless years including today, most laymen were/are taught by educators, that the Christian guidebook for sustainable moral life, The Bible, was fiction from thousands of years into the past. Only with recent developments (beginning in 1947), has it been brought in to present day relativity.
This president, as I mentioned in the previous post, 'Seals the Deal'. He is a major link in the chain of events that are mandatory to destroy the Traditional Family, it's morals and beliefs (Christianity now under intense attack), in favor of a universal, man contrived Power 'over' every aspect of society.
Bible Prophecy, to be fulfilled, must have at the least, one Power obsessed leader, endowed with these attributes, an agenda driven and financed by others in Power, including countless other qualities not realistically viewed as sustainable without intense sacrifice, to a Freedom based, morally functional society.
"If God were satisfied with the behavior of his people, he never would have allowed Genghis Khan to become unleashed"
qt: Genghis Khan 1162-1227
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Is his birth certificate, only produced after years of prodding, real (official) or conveniently contrived?
Was he actually 'born' in Hawaii..... or flown there immediately After his birth?
The International flight records are another link, mysteriously missing for the period of time in question, so no indisputable facts from that system of normally well documented, maintained, International flight records.
Coupled with his, 'sealed' murky chain of scholastic records and accomplishments, chain of obviously subsidized residences, questionable social security numbers and associations with mentors of traditional society destructive 'Socialism', he is a true anomaly in the US Presidential history.
As it stands, I, as a true Believer in Jesus Christ and the never ending battle of good vs evil, with a welcome coming return of the True Savior at the precise time, I personally have no problem with this man of totalitarian power, magically promoted up through the stages of politics into the position of Power he now holds over the masses of society.
No concerns, aside from the rapidly escalating costs (redistributive taxation, Fees, unsustainable escalation of interest on borrowed money) assessed onto the backs of the diminishing class of the productive, to subsidize this utopian existence.
Brave New World...revisited (Aldus Huxley) predicted a need ( National Socialism) for bringing down the freedom based wealthy nation, into a level commensurate with the rest of the less fortunate, controlled world.
Costs that will destroy the once sustainable and prosperous USA and it's previously unique capacity and willingness as "One Nation under God", to assist the perpetually less fortunate of the world.
Fact of the matter, he or his deceit motivated clone, was predicted long ago. So many questionable circumstances are involved in this man's mystery life, he truly is a leader of power, for these times where Truth is not forthcoming.
____________________________________
mrstrauss has left a new comment on your post "Four simple Questions of presidential legitimacy. ...":
RE: " (including the magically released, multilevel, computer generated 'certificate of birth' in..."
Perhaps you did not know that layers(not levels) are normal in PDF. I wonder why? Could it be that no birther site ever told you?
And, I wonder why no birther site has shown you, or responded, to this:
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/xerox-workflow/the-xerox-workcentre-workflow-successes
_____________________________________
The fact is that the historically sustainable Traditional Family, is only a fractional minority in today's overwhelmingly governmental regulated, restrictive and politically Controlled USA.
Less than 25% of school children now in classrooms across the nation, (since the inception of wealth redistributive 'The Great Society') live within a Traditional Family household (the Only historically sustainable form of society).
This statistic alone, places the Feral associations, liaisons producing multi-generational spawn (section 8 housing, including endless nutritional sustenance, added individually, priority choice (no penalties for bad choices), disposable financial rewards with few questions asked) of perpetual dependency addiction (including a huge percentage of chemical dependency), within this now overwhelming majority, conveniently portrayed as a Democracy (the USA was previously formed as a Republic). A voting Democracy is able to redistribute wealth from the treasury.... until it is depleted.
In that one category alone, Obama, of questionable heritage, born of a mother (including father) who was well known for a Feral lifestyle of dependency, is well represented by his peers, enough to swing any vote to his favor.
Add into the equation the 'Elitists', who prosper from massive Government promoted regulations/restrictions, generously rewarded by political affiliations. With those factions and lifestyle of never ending dependency on ever expanding government, Obama is truly 'their' messiah.
Whomever, whatever political factions, groomed this previously unknown man, nurtured him up through the political system, on a fast track for the Powerful presidency of the USA, knew the time was ripe for a leader of Perpetual Dependency. Predictably Demanding the forced 'Redistribution of Wealth' to support, nurture and expand it. All common factors in the time tested (historically total failure) of National Socialism.
The USA's urban centers (as are many cities around the globe) are bloated cesspools of non-productive (breeders and eaters) dysfunctional Feral associations, with it's predicatable crime and violence.
A sector of society has been born, nourished and now multiplying into a majority that can not support themselves without massive, endless influxes of wealth, forcibly taken away (redistributed) from the 'Producers' and generators of 'product'.
Product is the only source of revenue (a tangible, saleable entity of universal value) and it's expansion necessary to maintain population and provide sustenance through profit.
Unprecedented Food production and energy, are two main ingredients that allowed the world population to increase seven fold, from the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in the early through mid 1800's.
Food and Energy, key elements (conveniently removed from the COLA/CPI) that are obviously only produced through discipline, hard work, intelligence, education and dedication to the 'hard sciences'. Factors not normally found in abundance in the dependency addicted urban cores.
For countless years including today, most laymen were/are taught by educators, that the Christian guidebook for sustainable moral life, The Bible, was fiction from thousands of years into the past. Only with recent developments (beginning in 1947), has it been brought in to present day relativity.
This president, as I mentioned in the previous post, 'Seals the Deal'. He is a major link in the chain of events that are mandatory to destroy the Traditional Family, it's morals and beliefs (Christianity now under intense attack), in favor of a universal, man contrived Power 'over' every aspect of society.
Bible Prophecy, to be fulfilled, must have at the least, one Power obsessed leader, endowed with these attributes, an agenda driven and financed by others in Power, including countless other qualities not realistically viewed as sustainable without intense sacrifice, to a Freedom based, morally functional society.
"If God were satisfied with the behavior of his people, he never would have allowed Genghis Khan to become unleashed"
qt: Genghis Khan 1162-1227
..
posted by Blogengeezer at Sunday, October 13, 2013
8 Comments:
Re: "Is his birth certificate, only produced after years of prodding..."
Answer: Obama published his birth certificate, the official birth certificate of Hawaii (yes, it is a short form, but it is the official birth certificate of Hawaii) way back in June 2008, five months before the election of that year. In contrast, John McCain did not publish his birth certificate AT ALL. Last year, Mitt Romney did publish is birth certificate, but then it was a short-form birth certificate just like the one that Obama published in 2008.
In 2011 Obama also published the long form birth certificate of Hawaii. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent both the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama, and that ALL the facts on the ones published by Obama are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him.
And the fact that Obama was issued a birth certificate by Hawaii in 1961 is also confirmed by (1) the public Index Data file; (2) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth certificates to the "Health Bureau Statisics" section of the newspapers, which is where Obama's birth notice appeared) and (3) the Hawaii teacher who stated that she had written home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named STANLEY.
The claim that Obama's birth certificate is forge is made by birther zealots, and it is not believed by such leading conservatives as Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review---or by Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, or by Gingrich, Santorum and Huckabee.
PDF makes layers in replicating complex documents, that is how it works. It is not a photograph of the document.
Re: "The International flight records are another link, mysteriously missing for the period of time..."
What is missing is a birther admission that they don't even know whether Obama's mother had a passport in 1961 and their statement of the fact that the odds against her having a passport in 1961 are ENORMOUS because very very few 18-year-olds had passports in those days. And, they should also admit that the odds against Obama's mother traveling overseas while in the last few months of pregnancy (and traveling earlier would have been impossible because she was attending college) would have also been ENORMOUS because extremely few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths.
Yet birthers would like gullible people to assume that Obama's mother was one of the very very few 18-year-olds to have a passport, and one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled late in pregnancy in 1961-----and that the birth certificate of Hawaii is forged, and that the officials of BOTH parties who have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it are lying, and that the Index Data and the birth notices in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers are similarly false.
Oh, and birther sites LIED when they said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She never said any such thing. In fact, she said repeatedly that he was born "in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time," but the birther sites simply did not quote her, and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just BEFORE she was asked "Where was he born?" (I wonder why they did that?????)
Re "the magically released, multilevel, computer generated 'certificate of birth'" which was on the previous posting.
Obama has released his birth certificate twice, the short form was released way back in June 2008---five months before the election of that year, and the short form is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people to get their passports every year. (And Mitt Romney showd ONLY his short form BC.) And the officials of Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent both the short form and long form BCs to Obama and that ALL the facts on them are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.
Re "multilevel". Answer, the usual term is "layers." The explanation is that, duh, PDF uses layers to display complex documents. It is not a photographic image of the document.
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
AND this is particularly true, with the details of "pixilation" explained, when a document is scanned using a Xerox workstation and put into PDF.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/08/the-importance-of-the-xerox-7655-identification/
http://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/xerox-for-dummies/
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/xerox-workflow/the-xerox-workcentre-workflow-successes/
That explains virtually all of the "anomalies." The remaining ones include the claim that the document includes "kerning." But the answer is simple, it doesn't. It isn't kerning. It is the normal skipping of an old manual typewriter.
The Guest has replied:
Three points on Obama's birth certificate.
1- His father is listed as Kenyan, a country that did Not exist at the time of his birth.
2- The name of the hospital he was born in, did not exist at the time. After he was born, the hospital became a joint venture between a children's hospital and a women's hospital, that joint venture happened 'After' he was born.
3- He is listed as African-American on his birth certificate, a term not yet coined. Guess he was ashamed to use Caucasian.
Originally the birther issue first came up during the 1964 Johnson-Goldwater election. Johnson claimed that Goldwater was not born in a state, as Arizona was a territory at the time of Goldwater's birth.
Johnsons 'people' had Goldwater's name removed from as many state ballots as they could. As the case wound it's way through the courts time was against Goldwater and some states did Not have his name on the ballot.
The current flap came first from Democrats, who complained that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and was not legal. McCain proved he was born at the base hospital, and Not the hospital off base. That's when the GOP asked about Obama. Nancy Pelosi swore she saw it and approved it and Obama was born in Hawaii. Would Polosi lie?
She should be impeached for lying. That's when the foot dragging and delays came from the Obama camp. Still not resolved. The only way to ever find the truth? Obama becomes a white Republican.
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reply from Guest:
Three points on Obama's birth certificate.
1- His father is listed as Kenyan, a country that did not exist at the time of his birth.
2- The name of the hospital he was born in did not exist, after he was born, the hospital became a joint venture between a children's hospital and a women's hospital. That joint venture happened After he was born.
3- He is listed as African-American on his birth certificate, a term not yet coined. Guess he was ashamed to use Caucasian.
Originally the birther issue first came up during the 1964 Johnson-Goldwater election. Johnson claimed that Goldwater was not born in a state, as Arizona was a territory at the time of Goldwater's birth.
Johnson's 'people' had Goldwater's name removed from as many state ballots as they could. As the case wound it's way through the courts, time was against Goldwater and some states did not have his name on the ballot.
The current flap came first from Democrats, who complained that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and was not legal.
McCain proved he was born at the base hospital, and not the hospital off base.
That's when the GOP asked about Obama. Nancy Pelosi swore she saw it and approved it and Obama was born in Hawaii.
Would Polosi lie? She should be impeached for lying. That's when the foot dragging and delays came from the Obama camp.
Still not resolved. The only way to find the truth? Obama becomes a white Republican.
Guest
Re: "- His father is listed as Kenyan, a country that did Not exist at the time of his birth."
Answer: No, it was not a country. It was a COLONY, and the name of that Colony was, wait for it, "The Kenya Colony"--and it was known as "Kenya" for short. Thus, duh, Kenya did exist.
Re: "The name of the hospital he was born in did not exist, after he was born, the hospital became a joint venture between a children's hospital and a women's hospital. That joint venture happened After he was born."
Answer: That is also untrue. In fact, there is PROOF that Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital did exist when Obama was born. The proof is the clear Web images of the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins on WND (a birther site), and they show that they were born one day later than Obama, in KAPIOLANI Maternity & Gynecological Hospital.
http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105347/
Re: "3- He is listed as African-American on his birth certificate, a term not yet coined. Guess he was ashamed to use Caucasian."
The answer is that his race is not listed AT ALL, only the races of his mother and his father are shown. And his mother is listed as Caucasian, and his father (who was from Africa) was listed as African---not "African-American." And what was the word that African exchange students normally used to describe their race in the 1960s? Answer: The word was AFRICAN (and in Hawaii you were allowed to enter any word that you wanted, nobody stood over you and told you what word to use to describe your race, nor was there a checklist of races).
Re: "Johnson's 'people' had Goldwater's name removed from as many state ballots as they could. As the case wound it's way through the courts, time was against Goldwater and some states did not have his name on the ballot."
Answer: Total crap. Do you make these things up deliberately or are you simply dreaming? Goldwater lost in 1961, BUT HIS NAME WAS ON EVERY SINGLE STATE BALLOT. His name had not been removed from a single ballot, not one, and, BTW, there is nothing at all wrong with being born in a US territory. A territory is as much US sovereign land as a state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964
Read the table "Results by State." You will see that Goldwater received some votes (in some states not very many but some votes) IN EVERY STATE. In other words, his name had not been removed from the ballot in any state.
Re: "McCain proved he was born at the base hospital, and not the hospital off base. "
HOW did he "prove" it? Did he show his birth certificate? If so, to whom, and why isn't there a record of it being shown to that person or that committee?
Mitt Romney, BTW, did show his birth certificate. But, unlike Obama, he showed only the short form birth certificate, and in fact, he did not show a copy of his short form birth certificate in which the state seal could be read (unlike Obama). Obama in contrast showed both Web images and actual physical copies to the press of both his short form and long form birth certificates, and the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the paper, which is where Obama's birth notice appeared), and it is still further confirmed by the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
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